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IC-801E SSB

by josearruda » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:32 pm

I will buy an used boat which has a ICOM IC-801E. Is this a suitable SSB that can be used as the usual IC 802? I heard it is not compatible with the recent EU rules. Could this be a problem for getting a license of use? The boat will be registered in the UK
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Re: IC-801E SSB

by aa1gj » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:28 am

The Icom M801E was designed explicitly for sale to EU countries, and accepted by Australian and NZ Governments, etc. Suggest you check with several EU Icom Dealers and find out from them if EU regulations have recently been changed to the degree that Icom has implemented a firmware update program.

FYI, recently Icom updated the firmware in the M802 to comply with updated requirements, but that has not rendered the older M802-02 radios obsolete.
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Re: IC-801E SSB

by rossbiddle » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:41 pm

Jose

Type approval at the date the radio was originally purchased is unlikely to be revoked...generally you can keep using older radios in spite of limits on the sale of new radios. The 801e is no longer certified for sale in Europe see ( http://www.icomuk.co.uk/IC-M801E/HF-SSB_Marine_Radio) and Icom UK and SailComm are both selling the Icom 802.

I am in the UK and would be very surprised if you ever had any one official even raise the question. Adding the radio to your ships licence on line should flag up any potential problem. Your VHF and HF call sign should be the same.

However have you done your UK long range certificate yet ...? This seems to be much more complex than its Australian and US counterparts .... or at least it takes longer and costs more. Personally I would not leave home with out one as it is a good learning opportunity and strangely enough I have been asked for it in France by a very nasty policeman.

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Re: IC-801E SSB

by rossbiddle » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:03 pm

oops .... seems that while the 802 is being sold in the UK that it is also not approved for UK vessels.

I can't seem to find an SSB that is type approved for Europe ?

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Re: IC-801E SSB

by Scott Berg » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:28 pm

Hi Ross et al!

I think the current Thrane & Thrane models meet EU and UK requirements

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Re: IC-801E SSB

by rossbiddle » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:26 am

Gday Scott & etal

From http://info.yachtcom.co.uk/which/ ....the major UK SSB training school.

Which marine SSB!
When it comes to purchasing a marine MF/HF (SSB) transceiver the choice is a little limited.

The reason for this is that marine equipment needs to meet the relevant type approval standards and marine radios (both VHF and HF) have to meet the GMDSS requirements.

Here in Europe marine radios being sold today must be compliant to the European Radio equipment and Telecommunications Terminal Equipment (R&TTE) directive.

Due to some strange and bizarre EU regulations there currently no manufacturers of marine MF/HF (SSB) equipment that want to produce a Class 'E' MF/HF (SSB) transceiver for the non-solas leisure market that meets the R&TTE directive. It is all part of the R&TTE 'New Approach' directive - basically produce a standard and see if manufacturers can meet it!

Transceivers that meet the R&TTE directive are available for SOLAS vessels but only operating on 24 volts and are available from companies like Furuno and Sailor , they come with a very large price tag.
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Re: IC-801E SSB

by ka4wja » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:34 pm

Jose, as others have written, you should be fine with the M-801e...

While the EU / UK have made some changes to their requirements, as others have noted these have not made existing radios currently installed "non-compliant", but it has made it difficult (expensive) for those pleasure craft owners who wish to purchase/install new MF/HF maritime radios in UK/EU!!



And, as I posted over on another thread....
While there are no affordable EU-approved non-SOLAS Marine SSB radios for sale in the UK and EU, that operate on 12vdc, there are SOLAS-grade/GMDSS Compliant radios, from Sailor/Thrane/Cohban, Furuno, and JRC....but they are all 24vdc radios and are fairly pricey!
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And, of course, any EU or UK pleasure craft can equip/install an "amateur radio" such as the M-802... :)




Further, an FYI to all...
While the M-801e's housing and connectors ARE certainly better suited to a wet marine environment than the M-802's, and the built-in DC-DC converter in the M-801e does make it more versatile.....there are 1000's of the M-802's out there running fine now for over a decade....so these are not significant issues for most...
And, it is a bit disingenuous of yacht.com and others to tout any improved receiver performance in the M-801e vs. the M-802....as this is not the case....except for some firmware changes....meaning the newest version of the 801e performs like the newest version of the 802....and some very slight possible improvements in noise blanking and DSP filtering (if they were done?) are the only changes that would effect the differences between versions...
Oh, and there are no additional DSC features that the 801e has, that anyone is using/needs/etc., that the 802 doesn't have!!



I do hope this helps..

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Re: IC-801E SSB

by ka4wja » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:40 pm

Jose,
You may wish to have a look at the "sticky" at the top of the "Communications" page...
Marine SSB Stuff (how-to better use/properly-install SSB)
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17252



And, you should also have a look at the videos in these playlists, you will learn a lot!!

Icom M-802 Instruction Videos
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... QKVyMb4tVr

HF-DSC Communications
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... YuPozhUXZX

Maritime HF Communications
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... Jk3NB_Bt1y

Offshore Weather
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... JjHlChruyY



Fair winds...

John
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Re: IC-801E SSB

by josearruda » Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:18 pm

Thank you all. Very useful answers. I'm sure now that I will be happy with my 801E.
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Re: IC-801E SSB

by irfanramzan » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:39 am

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